January 8-9, 2011 @ PIR - Registration Open

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Register now @ http://nasaproracing.com/event/1186


DRAFT Schedule - Do not print, not final

Saturday
Start End ET
0 6:00 n/a GATES OPEN - NOTE: Early setup on Friday 4PM-10PM
0 6:10 7:25 Tech
0 6:30 7:25 Registration Opens
0 7:15 7:25 Instructor Meeting (Media Room)
0 7:30 7:40 0:10 Drivers Meeting at Grid Entrance
1 7:50 AM 8:10 AM 0:20 HPDE4
2 8:10 AM 8:25 AM 0:15 NASA TT (Small Bore)
3 8:25 AM 8:40 AM 0:15 NASA TT (Big Bore)
4 8:40 AM 9:00 AM 0:20 HPDE3
5 9:00 AM 9:20 AM 0:20 NASA Race Group Warm Up (All race classes)
6 9:20 AM 9:40 AM 0:20 HPDE2
7 9:40 AM 10:05 AM 0:25 HPDE1
8 10:05 AM 10:25 AM 0:20 HPDE4
9 10:25 AM 10:40 AM 0:15 NASA TT (Small Bore)
10 10:40 AM 10:55 AM 0:15 NASA TT (Big Bore)
11 10:55 AM 11:10 AM 0:15 NASA Race Group Qualify (Small Bore)
12 11:10 AM 11:25 AM 0:15 NASA Race Group Qualify (Big Bore)
13 11:25 AM 11:45 AM 0:20 HPDE3
14 11:45 AM 12:05 PM 0:20 HPDE2
15 12:05 PM 12:25 PM 0:20 HPDE1
16 12:25 PM 12:55 PM 0:30 Lunch / Time Correction
17 12:55 PM 1:15 PM 0:20 HPDE4 - Race Group Meeting (Reg Rm)
18 1:15 PM 1:30 PM 0:15 NASA TT (Small Bore)
19 1:30 PM 1:45 PM 0:15 NASA TT (Big Bore)
20 1:45 PM 2:15 PM 0:30 NASA sprint race (Small Bore)
21 2:15 PM 2:35 PM 0:20 HPDE3
22 2:35 PM 3:05 PM 0:30 NASA sprint race (Big Bore)
23 3:05 PM 3:25 PM 0:20 HPDE2
24 3:25 PM 3:45 PM 0:20 HPDE1
25 3:45 PM 4:05 PM 0:20 HPDE4
26 4:05 PM 4:25 PM 0:20 TT combined
27 4:25 PM 4:45 PM 0:20 HPDE3
28 4:45 PM 5:05 PM 0:20 HPDE2
29 5:05 PM 5:25 PM 0:20 HPDE1
5:26 PM ? NASA BBQ and Happy Hour(s)! All NASA event participants invited!


Sunday

Start End ET
0 6:00 n/a GATES OPEN
0 6:10 7:25 Tech
0 6:30 7:25 Registration Opens
0 7:00 7:15 Chapel Service (Media Room)
0 7:15 7:25 Instructor Meeting (Media Room)
0 7:30 7:40 0:10 Drivers Meeting at Grid Entrance
1 7:50 AM 8:10 AM 0:20 HPDE4
2 8:10 AM 8:25 AM 0:15 NASA TT (Small Bore)
3 8:25 AM 8:40 AM 0:15 NASA TT (Big Bore)
4 8:40 AM 9:00 AM 0:20 NASA Race Group Warm Up (All race classes)
5 9:00 AM 9:20 AM 0:20 HPDE3
6 9:20 AM 9:40 AM 0:20 HPDE1 & HPDE2 (combined)
7 9:40 AM 10:00 AM 0:20 HPDE4
8 10:00 AM 10:15 AM 0:15 NASA TT (Small Bore)
9 10:15 AM 10:30 AM 0:15 NASA TT (Big Bore)
10 10:30 AM 10:45 AM 0:15 NASA Race Group Qualify (Small Bore)
11 10:45 AM 11:00 AM 0:15 NASA Race Group Qualify (Big Bore)
12 11:00 AM 11:20 AM 0:20 HPDE3
13 11:20 AM 11:40 AM 0:20 HPDE1 & HPDE2 (combined)
14 11:40 AM 12:10 PM 0:30 Lunch - TA Mtg @ Tech / Chapel Service @ Media Rm
15 12:10 PM 12:30 PM 0:20 HPDE4 - Race Group Meeting (Reg Rm)
16 12:30 PM 12:45 PM 0:15 NASA TT (Small Bore)
17 12:45 PM 1:00 PM 0:15 NASA TT (Big Bore)
18 1:00 PM 1:40 PM 0:40 NASA sprint race (Small Bore)
19 1:40 PM 2:10 PM 0:30 UMS Tuning Time Attack
20 2:10 PM 2:50 PM 0:40 NASA sprint race (Big Bore)
21 2:50 PM 3:10 PM 0:20 HPDE3
22 3:10 PM 3:30 PM 0:20 HPDE1 & HPDE2 (combined)
23 3:30 PM 3:50 PM 0:20 HPDE4
24 3:50 PM 4:05 PM 0:15 NASA TT (Small Bore)
25 4:05 PM 4:20 PM 0:15 NASA TT (Big Bore)
26 4:20 PM 4:40 PM 0:20 HPDE3
27 4:40 PM 5:00 PM 0:20 HPDE1 & HPDE2 (combined)

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[elegal]

Signed up for PTB. Looking forward to racing in one car for a full season in 2011. Let the games begin.

[Mr. M3]

Originally Posted by elegal

Signed up for PTB. Looking forward to racing in one car for a full season in 2011. Let the games begin.

In for my first PTB race! See you there Marty.

[j0oftheworld]

Do I have to dress up for the Banquet?

[jrgordonsenior]

I was just about to sign up when I read the cancellation poilicy for Arizona. It states "Full refund less $30.00 processing fee, with at least 10 day notice prior to the event".

In So and Nor Cal, "Fees are fully refundable, less a $30 processing fee, provided that you registered at least 12 days in advance and you notify your NASA region within 5 days following the missed event".

Too bad there's not a National policy on cancellations. 10 days prior gives me little cushion (if any) against rain which is my main concern since I'm traveling from Pasadena. I also read that fees go up at some point closer to the event so I guess I'll just wait and make my decision closer to the event and depending exactly how much the entry fees go up.....

[Mario Lopez]

Originally Posted by jrgordonsenior

I was just about to sign up when I read the cancellation poilicy for Arizona. It states "Full refund less $30.00 processing fee, with at least 10 day notice prior to the event".

In So and Nor Cal, "Fees are fully refundable, less a $30 processing fee, provided that you registered at least 12 days in advance and you notify your NASA region within 5 days following the missed event".

Too bad there's not a National policy on cancellations. 10 days prior gives me little cushion (if any) against rain which is my main concern since I'm traveling from Pasadena. I also read that fees go up at some point closer to the event so I guess I'll just wait and make my decision closer to the event and depending exactly how much the entry fees go up.....

Put yourself in the regional director's position...
How do you plan, and more importantly budget, for an event if 10-15 people cancelled at the last minute just because they didn't feel like driving in the rain, waking up early that day, get their car finished in time, etc? That's a $3,000 - $4,500 swing....or a half a run/race group that potentially doesn't show up for our event just you don't feel like driving in the rain.

As of today, the fees for running a full weekend of race group are $289 for the PIR event (AZ) and $329 for the Infineon event (Nor Cal). Maybe NASA AZ should just start charging more for their events and then implement the same refund policy? If you're that concerned about it, maybe just wait till the week of to sign up and pay the slightly higher reg fee. Just don't be upset if your group is sold out by then with drivers who aren't scared by running in the rain.

[jrgordonsenior]

Originally Posted by Mario Lopez

Put yourself in the regional director's position...
How do you plan, and more importantly budget, for an event if 10-15 people cancelled at the last minute just because they didn't feel like driving in the rain, waking up early that day, get their car finished in time, etc? That's a $3,000 - $4,500 swing....or a half a run/race group that potentially doesn't show up for our event just you don't feel like driving in the rain.

As of today, the fees for running a full weekend of race group are $289 for the PIR event (AZ) and $329 for the Infineon event (Nor Cal). Maybe NASA AZ should just start charging more for their events and then implement the same refund policy? If you're that concerned about it, maybe just wait till the week of to sign up and pay the slightly higher reg fee. Just don't be upset if your group is sold out by then with drivers who aren't scared by running in the rain.

Mario I guess you'd have to ask the directors of Nor Cal, So Cal, and Texas how they manage but it appears they do just fine with their refundable policy. My point wasn't to argue about Arizona's policy, they can choose whatever policy they want. I've raced in all 3 regions listed above and I'm planning on adding Arizona this year- weather permitting. I think it would be beneficial to members if there was a National policy. That's all, you can argue the merits of the different polices, I would just like to see them consistent.

As for event costs, Sears-Infineon costs more because the track is more expensive to rent something like $16k per day. Cal Speedway is similar while others like Thunderhill, Willow Springs, Buttonwillow are more like $5k per day. The entry fee at those tracks is $299 per weekend. I'd be curious to know what PIR charges...

So I guess I'll take your advice Mario and wait until I'm within a predictable weather forecast. I think its important to remember that I'm going to be hauling 7 hours each way incurring fuel and hotel expenses. It would be really expensive if I incurrend registration costs too and then couldn't race....

[Dr Koby D]

Ok bye!

[MattS]

Originally Posted by jrgordonsenior

Mario I guess you'd have to ask the directors of Nor Cal, So Cal, and Texas how they manage but it appears they do just fine with their refundable policy. My point wasn't to argue about Arizona's policy, they can choose whatever policy they want. I've raced in all 3 regions listed above and I'm planning on adding Arizona this year- weather permitting. I think it would be beneficial to members if there was a National policy. That's all, you can argue the merits of the different polices, I would just like to see them consistent.

As for event costs, Sears-Infineon costs more because the track is more expensive to rent something like $16k per day. Cal Speedway is similar while others like Thunderhill, Willow Springs, Buttonwillow are more like $5k per day. The entry fee at those tracks is $299 per weekend. I'd be curious to know what PIR charges...

So I guess I'll take your advice Mario and wait until I'm within a predictable weather forecast. I think its important to remember that I'm going to be hauling 7 hours each way incurring fuel and hotel expenses. It would be really expensive if I incurrend registration costs too and then couldn't race....

If you plan on running PIR in January, you better book your hotel ASAP. The BCS National Championship in on January 10th so rooms on that side of town might be hard to come by that weekend...