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Old 07-31-2010, 07:39 PM
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PTC here. I wonder if anyone is still considering GTS in AZ. Jeremy???
I would like to......
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Old 07-31-2010, 11:19 PM
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PTC here. I wonder if anyone is still considering GTS in AZ. Jeremy???
I'd love to run GTS. It would be great to classify the cars for several different systems and see how it shakes out. For example, two cars might be the same PT class but different GTS classes.
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Old 07-31-2010, 11:27 PM
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Yes I bought Peters car and am in the process of re-doing the entire car. Just picked it up from Kent at Precision Chassis Works with a new cage today, and will be painting interior and installing fire system, helmet cooling system and radio stuff this weekend. Planning big brakes, coilovers, some engine work (cams-chip ect) and new diff before enduro....Will run a few laps in HPDE 4 at August event, but car will be far from completed... Will class in PTB.... Probably will run this car full time in 2011 and Ryan will run a limited schedule in PTA in E46....

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Old 08-01-2010, 09:08 AM
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Do all E36 M3's come with traction control?
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Old 08-01-2010, 09:51 AM
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Do all E36 M3's come with traction control?
Only 96'-99' E36 M3's. The 95' OBDI M3 did not.
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Old 08-01-2010, 10:11 AM
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Only 96'-99' E36 M3's. The 95' OBDI M3 did not.
Interesting-

I would assume that the later cars need to take the traction control points unless disabled since the 95-99 recieves the same base class and it doesnt come on the 95.

I am waiting for nationals clarification-
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Old 08-01-2010, 04:22 PM
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No, it does not need to take points for traction control. Matt, Greg and myself beat that horse to death a while back. The 96-99 has a different engine all together (3.2L vs 3.0L in the 95).
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Old 08-01-2010, 04:27 PM
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No Paul. You don't take points for stuff that is STANDARD on the car. That is how the rules are written. Otherwise the '95 should be classed separately. With that said, the traction control on the E36's is crap unless you are in the rain. It is basically a separate throttle body that closes off air to the engine which reduces power which should reduce wheelspin. Not exactly what you want on a race car. Removing this part helps getting off the corner and increases horsepower since it is a very restrictive part on the intake. That was the first thing I took out when I was building my car.

Now as far as running GTS here in AZ... Do we really need to go down that path? GTS bases your car on power to weight and you are allowed to do anything you want to it after that. PT is nice because in a way it keeps costs down. You can get into an arms race in GTS. My car right now is almost a maxed out GTS3 car. But in GTS3 I can run Moton 4 way adjustable remote reservoir shocks which I could not do and still stay in PTA. We do not have enough race cars as it is to separate off into another class. I think all the BMWs we have out running should be built up as PTA cars (which could also be run as GTS3 cars and BMW IP cars depending on each person's modification restraint) or if you want to up the power run in ST2. Personally I think PT has served NASA AZ well. Until we double the amount of race cars out there we should stick with the classing that we have.

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I would assume that the later cars need to take the traction control points unless disabled since the 95-99 recieves the same base class and it doesnt come on the 95.

I am waiting for nationals clarification-
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Old 08-01-2010, 05:09 PM
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It is basically a separate throttle body that closes off air to the engine which reduces power which should reduce wheelspin.

Removing this part helps getting off the corner and increases horsepower since it is a very restrictive part on the intake. That was the first thing I took out when I was building my car.
I hope you took points for modifying the throttle body!
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Old 08-01-2010, 05:40 PM
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I hope you took points for modifying the throttle body!
My car is a 325is with a M3 motor swap. I am classed on weight and hp so Paul can't harass me!
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